Savage Heroes

It's Savage 1 turned into DotA/HoN! Read more information: http://www.newerth.com/smf/index.php/topic,10887.0.html

wow, nice idea! I wanna try it

NoooooOOoooOOooo

Ahh, DeoX, I wanted to post a topic here, too!
But you were faster

THIS
IS
AWESOME



Nothing more to say...

Adam, its a mod. It'l be like Samurai wariors. IT NEVER WORKED

ENVY wrote:Adam, its a mod. It'l be like Samurai wariors. IT NEVER WORKED

It will!

Very interesting. ^.^ Will want to see how other members of the Savage Community responds. I thought there was like a dividing opinion between the community on Heroes of Newerth? Many Savage players play it, or went over to it completely. Others have developed a strong sense of hatred/dislike for Heroes of Newerth.

So far it seems most of Newerth like it, maybe there isn't that much hate towards Heroes of Newerth in the first place? Not sure. I've never really involved myself with Heroes of Newerth, or the arguments people have between whether it sucks, or is totally awesome, etc.

Definitely a strong team though behind the mod. If anyone will be able to pull it off without 'giving up' on the project like many other game mods in the gaming world, these guys can definitely do it. =)

Well, I played Heroes of Newerth about half a year, and it was really fun to be in the beta, but after there were a lot of players, you couldn't write something without being flamed by others...
Most of the HoN players are really stupid, little children, and they don't help newbies, no, they shout at them and kick them...
That's why I uninstalled the game...

On-topic:
Hakugei answered your question, TN^^

That's what he posted:

Savage features:
Melee.
Block.
Leap.
Necessity to aim skills.
Physics. (e.g. jumping, sliding)
Stamina.

Heroes of Newerth features:
Predefined skills/spells.
Shops (Base/Outpost/Secret shop to buy additional items from.
Stun.
Silence.
Cooldown for skills/spells.
Health/Mana.
Lane-orientated battle. (Predefined towers, too.)
Creep-orientated battle.
Killing-dying (based on HoN more than on Savage)
Proper levelups.
Gold (based on HoN, more than on Savage).
Assists (not yet implemented, but perhaps one day - not so important, though).
Hero system. (Predefined stats, skills and no switching heroes between spawns)
Runes.
Unique maps.

Purposely excluded:
No commander. (Savage)
No buffs. (Savage)
No attack speed changes. (HoN)

That should be all.

I don't care if I get flamed in HoN. I usually write "ty" or "ok" if someone insults me.

Yep, that's the only way you can do.
Sometimes it's really funny, when they use the VOIP... One time there was somebody who whispered all the time, I was really scared!

DieOrFail wrote:

ENVY wrote:Adam, its a mod. It'l be like Samurai wariors. IT NEVER WORKED

It will!

Hope not.

Why, Adam?

Just don't want to xD

Yeah that list is very helpful to know. (Even though it could be totally different by the time the project is finished. ^^) I'll be pondering a bit and maybe wait a week or two before starting to do some promotion here on the TH site. Mostly I'll be waiting for a bit more releases and details to be posted about the mod from the team. ^^

Oh, and Adam is just one of those people that dislike Hon, and it's gameplay in general. We actually do have a few clan members whom have a sour taste/feeling for Heroes of Newerth, while we have others whom participate in it regularly. =) Nobody is going to be forced to support/play the mod if they don't want to -- TH will always *as far as I know xD* stick to Savage: The Battle for Newerth. ^^ Things can change though. =)

Ah, now I understand you, Adam
HoN is a great game, but the community is just lame...^^
SH will combine Savage with HoN, both good games, and only the Savage community can play it, that's just awesome!

DieOrFail wrote:Ah, now I understand you, Adam
HoN is a great game, but the community is just lame...^^
SH will combine Savage with HoN, both good games, and only the Savage community can play it, that's just awesome!

I wouldnt bet on that. The game is dedicated to anybody who wants to try a dota/hon fps variant. I feel that by only hearing the word they will start making research and look after the game

Yeah, I totally NOT support HoN. It's like the lamest game ever. I would start a this HUGE blog on the net for people who don't like HoN.

Welcome to the Forums, McChief.

Ye, welcome here!
Hey, Adam, HoN isn't a bad game, but it's in my opinion not a really good one...
I like the fast battles, the timing you need and the teamfights and the whole teamplay.
Only problem is, that you can't play in a team with flamers and stupid nerds...
I think this game will be really great, if you play it only with your friends, but in public, it's just lame... That's why I stopped playing it.

DieOrFail wrote:Ye, welcome here!
Hey, Adam, HoN isn't a bad game, but it's in my opinion not a really good one...
I like the fast battles, the timing you need and the teamfights and the whole teamplay.
Only problem is, that you can't play in a team with flamers and stupid nerds...
I think this game will be really great, if you play it only with your friends, but in public, it's just lame... That's why I stopped playing it.

That is very interesting to hear Die. I was never clearly aware of why some people hated Hon while others loved it. From what people complained/praised about it, the gameplay was definitely something to talk about. Not many people commented on the community though, and so I'm hearing for the first time that Hon's community seems to generally not be very nice/friendly? Or at the very least, playing Hon with that community will give you matches 80-90% filled with jerks/flamers?

Very interesting, so it seems we have a case of 'game mechanics + graphics + gameplay is excellent, but community and player spirit/atmosphere/interaction sucks, generally'. With this in mind, it is interesting to see that most of the Newerth Community seems to so far support Savage Heroes very much, despite the problems with Hon's player community. To see what will happen when both players from the communities of Heroes of Newerth, and Savage: The Battle for Newerth come together in this mod...that will be an interesting day I think.

And of course, welcome aboard to our humble little home here in the TH Community, Mchief. Nice to see you here. ^^

Hello!

I kinda hope only Savage players would play SH . I think getting familiar with the way you control your FPS character is something which the bulk of HoN and DotA players are not willing to go through. Even if it won't grow outside the existing Savage community, i think the mod would have reached its goal, of making Savage more diverse, fun, and "replayable".

Hey (:

Yes, there you are right, Deamon.
I noticed this 'barrier' by my friends, too.
Some of them just don't like the 'FPS-action', they prefer the way HoN, DotA, or WoW are played.
What makes SH so great, in my opinion, is that this 'border', between the two different systems/games, don't exist.

It combines 'the way you control your FPS character' with the way you control your hero, like you said. It gives a great opportunity to everyone, all can try out new things they normally don't like, because there aren't such extreme differences if you compare Savage and HoN.
We, the Savage players, can meet the HoN players, and it's something new for all of us, but there are things we remember, things we like

Maybe Adam will realize, that HoN isn't that bad, and maybe some HoN players will notice, that Savage or FPS/action games can be funny, too.

(I hope you understand what I want to say, I don't know the right words ;D)

is hon free now or do you have to pay for hon?
becaus i never played it and maybe i wanne try if it is free

djargon wrote:is hon free now or do you have to pay for hon?
becaus i never played it and maybe i wanne try if it is free

ye I had the same idea only yesterday so went looking for the download.... And YES unfortunately you do have to pay =(

Oh? I thought SH was meant to mostly bring Hon players over -- as according to the list Hakugei posted:

Savage features:
Melee.
Block.
Leap.
Necessity to aim skills.
Physics. (e.g. jumping, sliding)
Stamina.

Heroes of Newerth features:
Predefined skills/spells.
Shops (Base/Outpost/Secret shop to buy additional items from.
Stun.
Silence.
Cooldown for skills/spells.
Health/Mana.
Lane-orientated battle. (Predefined towers, too.)
Creep-orientated battle.
Killing-dying (based on HoN more than on Savage)
Proper levelups.
Gold (based on HoN, more than on Savage).
Assists (not yet implemented, but perhaps one day - not so important, though).
Hero system. (Predefined stats, skills and no switching heroes between spawns)
Runes.
Unique maps.

Purposely excluded:
No commander. (Savage)
No buffs. (Savage)
No attack speed changes. (HoN)

That should be all.

...it seems there is a lot less Savage features being transferred over, and more Hon/DotA ones -- which makes one think it's trying to appeal to the Hon crowd more? Even the features purposely excluded are mostly from Savage (commander and buffs). xD On that same note, it will be giving the Savage Community a very different mod to the native.

Hey guys.

No Hon isn't free but there will be a downloadable trial version soon, where players can play 10 free matches to get the feel of the game.

As for TN: Fps experience> All Hon Features meaning that SH will have the same grounds as the old savage but with Hon stuff( items, objectives, lvl system etc excluding atk speed which is vital in Hon, but probably unnecessary here cuz it can be compensated by the players general melee or range skill).