God's existance ( I aprove it )

Hey guys. I have been wondering. For many time I believed ( and KNEW ) that The Father of Creation was up there, looking at us. But I never really had the proof, except the miracles.

I have been wondering and I think I found a clear proof of evidence of God's existance.


Evidence 1 : Motion : " An object that is not moving will not move until a net force acts upon it ".
-Quote from Isaac Newton
Which means, any object is not moving unless there is something else that moves it. Nothing can move by itself, that's actually a scientific proof. ( At least Newton says so )

The world is actually in motion and therefore, there must be SOMETHING ( already ) in motion that makes it move. But that thing that puts it in motion, must be put in motion by something else, and that something else must be put in motion by something else, and so and so on...
The thing is, how did the very first thing on Earth/Universe started to move, if there was nothing before to move it ? And without a first moves, how can ANYTHING else move ?
Therefore, there must be a first mover that does not need to be moved by another one. God.



What do you think about it ? I think it's a pretty nice piece of evidence, I think it is NOT absurd and it makes sense.

Hmm, that seems to be a point that could prove God's existence. I also know there are theories about the movement of the planets being formed when 'space dust' slowly accumulated together and eventually formed 'cores' of planets (which have gravitational pull). The sun also affects how planets are moving, because the sun has apparently a much bigger gravity effect, and so that is the reason why most of the planets in our Solar System orbit around it.

But hmm, I'm not sure.

What made the Sun move ? What made gravity move ? :O

TN, you mean the 'Big Bang'^^ (Hope this is correct in English )

Adam, I agree with you. This is exact my opinion. Something must have started the 'Big Bang'.


(It's sometimes really strange, because I like Physic and Chemistry, but I also belief in god. I don't know why lots of people think, this can't be... I'm having often some long discussions about god and the world ;D)

This is my opinion : You must always learn some Science if you want to know more about God.

My explanation is all about Physics. It's ironic the fact that I explain God trough Science.

It's a good proof though. That's just my opinion, though.

Why it's ironic? Where is the problem? God or Science... always... why not: God AND science?

Hmm, that is a good point. What DID make the sun form?

What you probably will say the Sun was formed by atoms of this and that.
What made the atoms, and most important : Since they move, what made them move ?

My answer is God.

Adam, you'll hear about the Big Bang in the future, which is the reason for everything. But what did the Big Bang?
In my opinion, the answer is god, yes!

Mathematics is the universal language.

Have you ever seen the two pictures comparing a brain cell and universe?



There i have been thinking about we being in a human brain and in our brains are universes and so on Cool no?

But about God thing, i highly doubt. I will see that after i die.

How did the first cell get formed ? How did the thing that made the cell form?

How do they move ? Again, we can go back to the 2nd thing that was in the Universe.
But there must be a 1st body.

Tushaar, I like the two compared pictures ;D

But something must have created the 'last' thing.

You can also ask then who made god? Dont tell that he/she just WAS THERE, because then you can say that Universe Just appeared. It just did.

Yep, you're right.
But keep in mind that Adam's explanation is about how science explain life/universe.
There is a point, where humans are too 'little' to imagine what's out there.
A point, where science can't explain anything.
A point where you can only do one thing: Believe. In God, Allah or in nothing. It's up to you.

God just appeared. He is the creator of the Universe. His Universe, His Rules!

Nobody made God ? Because God was the first thing/person there was. If there is no God, there is nothing.

Watch this in youtube or google vids : Zeitgeist

Adam, do you believe in God with a special appearance?

And I like your suggestion, a good point to think about. But in my opinion the Big Bang is explainable with Physics only. I´m not at physics, but I think material, space and time was created from onlyo ne single thing, and scientists already explained that very well. ANd gravitys etc. work for "theirselves", I mean that they are created by a big mass or something ;-)

@Tush: Cool =D But wouldn´t be there a kind of "wall" around us? Then we would touch the cell, but this structures at the universes are nebulaes and are not compact!

But what do you think about the thougt, that God just exists in your minds? Isn´t it enough to know that there could be something that helps you in your life. To prove the existence with facts is hard, because everytime there will be one who negates your theory and this whole "God-existence- discussion" really annoys me =D
And one thing I would like to hear is the fact, that terrible things happen. Teribble things at people who aren ot guilty, kids who die of hunger, natural catastrophes etc.
How can you belive in such a God, if he would be that mighty, he could make these things never happen, couldn´t he?

Corn King wrote:Watch this in youtube or google vids : Zeitgeist

That movie was absolutely impressive! The 9/11 part was a little bit weird, most of their arguments are invalid =D But the politican and religious part was fantastic! But let´s stay ontopic
*hitting-my-own-head-with-an-uprooted-tree

Wouh, I've never discussed this in English ;D

Rumo, Big Bang is absolutely correct, and I think this theory is at least in parts true.
But, I discussed this with my teacher a long time ago, nobody knows WHY there was a Big Bang. They don't know what causes the Big Bang.

And you can't prove that god exists.
But you can't prove that he doesn't exists, too.

You can only make individual experiences, like I did.
You can only believe in god, you can't prove him.

Tushaar wrote:You can also ask then who made god? Dont tell that he/she just WAS THERE, because then you can say that Universe Just appeared. It just did.

I like to think of it this way. There is no beginning to time. It never started and it will never end. If you can grasp this concept, (which is close to impossible) then you can understand that God never began, and he will never end.

Now, imo there is an infinite pyramid (of sorts) of Gods. Sort of like Gods and their children. Each God rules over a Universe. So, there are multiple Universes.

This topic is divided in two, those who believe in god, and those who don't. I myself don't believe in god, because i have never had the need to believe. I see the universe without god,but i see it with evolution and big bang, physics. Why people started to believe in god? I don't know the answer. Those who believe in god, i don't misjudge. Some of those people need to believe in something, i myself know such persons who have had bad times in lives and have been living in poverty. They need to believe in something to keep their morale up. But me, as not in believing in god, i just can't even force myself to see HOW does god fit in, when i think about science, evolution and physics. We have just explained so much in science that all those "miracles" are being proved. I can't also understand the view of people who think god created everything, i just can't and i even can't explain why i can't understand their view!

I have told this before i think, but i hope everything will be clear when i die.

That's right Rumo. The question of the Big Bang is almost impossible. That's what a phylosopher or even a Physic guy would say : " The Ultimate Question "

But, in my opinion, nothing in life happens to chance. Luck/chance is something you can control and you shouldn't depend on it, else your fu***d.
So, in my opinion, the Big Bang didn't happen by chance either. Something made the things collide and explode. But, as I said and as Newton said, nothing can move if there is not something to move it. Something/someone made those things move.


Now my question is : If it was not God that made the rocks collide on the Big Bang, who did ?

i'm not a believer myself, but i respect anyone that does
please read the entire part (and dont quit in the middle )

as for the moving things part,
mass creates gravity. for example greenland:
When the ice on the land of Greenland will melt and there will be more water comming in the sea, the sea level will rise. (makes sense) However, around Greenland the sea level will not rise (or less). Why would this be you think. The ice on Greenland is standing on a ground floor (not floating like the northpole) so the ice adds mass to the land. This mass creates gravity, what pulls the water towards greenland (like the moon pulls the water and creates the tidal waves) so the sealvl will be higher. When this ice melts the mass decreases and the gravity decreases, so the sealvl will drop near Greenland.

Sounds much more complicated, but makes sense in a way too.

Now imagine 2 objects (for example 2 planets) next to each other. And they are standing still. By the laws of physics you have 2 balls of mass, what create 2 gravity fields, which pull eachother. So they will move. Even if you would place them still next to eachother at the start.

I'm a believer of "big bang theory" but there is still no solid clue what was before that and how the big bang came to be. So a divine power could be behind it , i'm not denying that!

GL reading and hope i made some people a bit wiser

Yes, March and Tushaar, thank you for your posts

Like I said before, I see no difficulty in both theories...
You can believe in god, like I do, and you can believe in science, like I do, too ;D
Tush said the right thing, some happenings in your life can make you believing.

The laws of Physic.. who created them?
Why are is there a force like gravity?
Why can humans think, and animals not?
Why do we think we have a soul?

I just want to say that I believe myself, but I respect anyone that doesn't

Nice discussion here, by the way.^^